Enough is enough!

by Kim 13. June 2007

UPDATED June 14 2007 (check update further down)!

The last days another riot have happened in the CodeGear non-tech newsgroup. Yet again!

The relationship between a vendor and a consumer should be healthy. The vendor make decisions thats supposed to be for the benefit of the majority of its consumers and other potential consumers not yet in the fold. Sometimes those decisions are annoying some consumers or even hurting them to some extent. Hence the consumer ofcourse will need to voice his or hers opinion on whats going on and that its hurting the consumer. Thats a natural right in an open society with freedom of speech etc.

However there is a fine line between expressing ones opinions and terrorising the community. Disgruntled consumers are almost as dangerous as disgruntled employees... they can make alot of harm. The difference is imo however that the consumer often still have things at stake... existing codebases etc. and essentially often would have liked CodeGear to be successful of the simple reason that then the chance of the consumer to be successful with the current codebase is higher.

Hence its completely incomprehensible to me that all the so called Delphi lovers are so busy as they are damaging CodeGear by diminishing Delphi. Sure Delphi has had its rough edges in the D8 and D2005 releases, but the issues have been dealt with by CodeGear who obviously are aware about the problems and knows its in their interest to get those issues solved. Hence D2007 and Update 1.

Im personally quite annoyed about the way the critisism is expressed. Why do I care? Because I am a consumer of CodeGear products, and the company I work in is producing products consumed by thousands of CodeGear consumers too. Hence what damages CodeGear sales directly damages us and our customers. And I simply wont accept that, regardless of that Im in agreement with some of the elements that have been expressed by others regarding what would be good to have in a CodeGear roadmap like Linux/Cross compilation support etc.

The constant negative aura around CodeGear's non-tech group says to me that CodeGear is better of shutting it down permanently. Although sometimes being entertaining to read, its surely not doing CodeGear or its customers any good.

The article I wrote about a year ago 'The story of 3rdparty announcements and reactions on them' which is still available on our website at:

http://www.components4programmers.com/articles/thestoryof3rdpartyannouncementsa.htm

can be directly applied to whats going on between CodeGear as the vendor and its consumers.

UPDATE June 14 2007:

The responses I get on this blog entry, both as comments here and on the CodeGear nontech newsgroups, makes me realize that people dont seem to understand the effect that extremely negative posts in vast amounts can have. Its a misconception that just because its on a non-tech newsgroup, only the geeks will read it. WRONG. The non-tech newsgroup is being cached into several web based search machines, including Google Groups. Try to search for CodeGear and order the search by date.... the top 6 entries are all providing the probing potential new customer with a negative view on everything related to CodeGear.

Some people may be smart enough to read thru the bulls..t, but managers arent always that smart and as they may already be biased away from CodeGear, this number of negative posts will just be the final proof they need to convince their bosses that... "dont go the CG way... Ive read comments from their customers... and they dont believe in CG or its products... too risky to go there".

I welcome constructive discussions about features and techniques... but please.... grow up and dont act like a child when things dont go your way! As CodeGear have multiple times said.... single customers cant possible have any idea about why CodeGear make their business decisions the way they do, so continuing to whine about it wont do any good, on the contrare. No doubt that every community served by CodeGear, that being Delphi developers, C++ developers, PHP developers, Java developers etc. wants to feel that CodeGear takes special good care about them. However try to look at your own company... how does that operate? Are you able to provide specially good care for all your customers at once?... specially if the demanding ones are numerous? and very vocal? No.. .you will have to prioritize... and so does CodeGear.

Help yourself by helping CodeGear in the right way! Give them input but dont expect them to jump according to your tune as thats not how a company behaves. It receives the input, estimates the ups and downs of implementing the idea and then either accept, reject or postpone the idea. If you think you can do that better than CodeGear and being more economically successful than CodeGear, then you have an option for starting your own company. Do that... spend time on that... and realize how the world suddenly seems different when the problems and tough decisions start to pile up.

 

Kim

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June 13. 2007 17:04

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I think the newsgroup modertaion has gotten out of hand. If posters are treated as adults, they would behave so. CG is shooting themselves in the foot by allowing TeamB to parent the newsgroup so tightly, and inconsistently. I follow several other product support newsgroups, and nobody seems to get cancelled, and everybody seems to behave responsibly, even though you see some OT messages. I don't mind an off topic, or ill advised, message every now and then (frankly, there are numerous OT messages that don't get cancelled). Cancellations should be reserved for Viagra ads.

Robert us

June 13. 2007 17:23

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"If posters are treated as adults, they would behave so."

Odd. I always thought that relationship was intended to go the other way. If people want to be treated like adults, they should start by acting like adults.

Lokari us

June 13. 2007 18:35

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"If people want to be treated like adults, they should start by acting like adults." - Well, that goes for TeamB as well. Some members of the TeamB as seen as cancelling posts at whim, on personal vandettas. That's seen as childish behaviour as well, and things escalate, as seen. Really, these things start at the top, the authority sets the tone. If a company is failing, for instance, you check the top ranks first to see if those with power are mismanaging. Same here. If those with power establish a mutually respectful environment, others will follow. It's quite insulting to a poster, who has spent time and effort, to be cancelled without so much as an explanation. Adults don't take being treated that way kindly.

Robert us

June 13. 2007 18:46

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I love non-tech and the doomsayers on it are perfectly welcome. Its just like people I know - the optimists, pessimists, smart, dumb - its *real*. Programmers include some eccentric characters - its a geek thing.

The internet means corporate spin and bland, controlling propaganda can fail. CodeGear has to be open and transparent, and accept robust feedback from its customers. And speak honestly back. Non-tech is a priceless window for CodeGear to check out user feelings. A decade ago, Borland seemed to know how to communicate, with David I and Charlie Calvert.

Over the last few years, Delphi users have endured a beating from CodeGear - poor quality, poor documentation, poor communication - all the signs of a doomed company. Non-tech has been a place for Delphi users to keep abreast of news, workarounds, upgrade options, value of particular releases etc.

Rudy the moderator is not the right guy for the job - he doesn't get it.

Shut down non-tech and there goes customer loyalty. I wish I could get my customers to fight over my company and product.

Roger Lascelles au

June 13. 2007 21:05

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The 'riot' was triggered as a result of a cancellation of a message in the CodeGear newsgroups by a non-CodeGear employee. As he has refused to date to explain his actions it is difficult to ascertain whether he was justified or not in his actions. There doesn't seem to be anything particularly offensive in the original message. The original poster of the message gives his side of the story here:

http://delphiroadmap.untergrund.net/codegear_newsgroup_censorship.html

Chris Burrows au

June 13. 2007 23:02

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I don't think what's said on non-tech will harm Codegear. As we all know, only geeks go on there, be they CodeGear lovers or haters. The CodeGear lovers will still love CodeGear, and the haters will still love Microsoft.

Phillip Woon us

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